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|  | Episode 99 - Censorship « Thread Started on Aug 31, 2009, 12:34pm » | |
Episode 99 - Censorship
Welcome friends to a discussion about a very serious subject: Censorship.
So the concept this week was to give an overview of how censorship has impacted the horror genre in the past and how it continues to loom over the film industry today. To frame our topic we conduct the podcast with the recently banned in the UK title Grotesque playing along in the background. The show swings between our personal stances on censorship to on point remarks about the film as it plays to demonstrate the issues at hand while attempting to validate an art form for it's potential merits and the perceived threat it may hold. It's not a simple issue but we think the format allowed for some good insights to get across. Whether you consider yourself a proponent of regulating content or stand in vehement opposition, on thing is certain - censorship remains a contentious and troublesome issue.
Some upcoming event films are discussed being Avatar (2009) and The Wolfman (2010), and oh yes...the Aussie film pick of the week is the 1984 opus Razorback.
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #1 on Aug 31, 2009, 1:34pm » | |
I'm gonna try and buy the film. Its awesome! hahahahahahahaha. You should have mentioned The secret life: jeffrey dahmer. its awesome, sick and depraved. Jeffrey Dahmer was the man. hahahahaha.
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #2 on Aug 31, 2009, 2:11pm » | |
Interesting! - from BBC news site August 25th - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/uk/8219438.stm
Loophole over DVD age rating law 25 August 09 02:10 Retailers who sell violent video games and 18-rated DVDs to children cannot be prosecuted because of a legal blunder 25 years ago.
Dozens of prosecutions under a 1984 Act have been dropped because the government of the day failed to notify the European Commission about the law.
But previous prosecutions will stand, according to the Department for Culture Media and Sport (DCMS).
The Lib Dems said the error had "thrown film censorship into chaos".
The Video Recordings Act (VRA) was brought in by Margaret Thatcher's government and set down that videos and video games must be classified and age rated by the British Board of Film Classification.
It made it illegal to sell violent video games to children and the most explicit adult films could be sold only in licensed sex shops.
'Unfortunate situation'
Culture Media and Sport Minister Barbara Follett has written to the industry bodies to inform them the act was "no longer enforceable".
In her letter, she said: "Unfortunately, the discovery of this omission means that, a quarter of a century later, the VRA is no longer enforceable against individuals in United Kingdom courts."
Mrs Follett said the government hoped to remedy the "unfortunate situation" as quickly as possible.
She asked the industry bodies to handle the situation with "care and sensitivity" to ensure "minimal" advantage is taken of the loophole.
The loophole means no-one can be prosecuted until the law is passed again and that will take three months.
A spokeswoman from the government department said retailers had agreed to keep to the rules on a voluntary basis and previous prosecutions will still stand.
"Our legal advice is that those previously prosecuted will be unable to overturn their prosecution or receive financial recompense," she said.
'Outrageous' delay
Ministry of Justice figures for 2007, the latest available, show 87 people were convicted under the act for offences including supplying material which should be sold only in sex shops and selling unclassified work.
The Liberal Democrat's culture spokesman Don Foster said: "The Conservatives' incompetence when they were in government has made laws designed to prevent video piracy and protect children from harmful DVDs unenforceable and thrown film censorship into chaos.
"This must be a massive embarrassment to the Tories, especially as David Cameron was the special adviser to the home secretary in 1993 when the law was amended."
But the shadow culture secretary Jeremy Hunt said it was "outrageous" such an administrative error could go unnoticed for so many years.
"Much of the problem would have been avoided if they had sorted out the classification of video games earlier, as we and many others in the industry have been urging them to do," he added.
The error was discovered during work on the UK government's Digital Britain project, which aims to boost broadband and new media in the UK.
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #3 on Aug 31, 2009, 3:43pm » | |
who watched that video clip? is it not deranged and psychotic?
This buds for the horroretc podcast!
hahahahahaha.
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #4 on Aug 31, 2009, 3:49pm » | |
Interesting choice of topic, I can't wait to listen to this episode.
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #5 on Aug 31, 2009, 4:00pm » | |
Great topic. I downloaded a copy of 'hardgore' a few days ago, now that's some crazy antisocial stuff! It's pretty hard to keep films suppressed now that we have the internet, it has taken some of the fun out of tracking down those taboo movies.
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #6 on Aug 31, 2009, 11:14pm » | |
Throughout this episode I kept thinking of Mike Diana, the first artist to be convicted of obscenity for his comic Boiled Angel. Look it up on Wikipedia to see what a miscarriage of justice that episode is. Freedom of speech is a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, and yet there are so many people out there eager to add, "Well, yeah, but only if you're saying something I agree with." And unfortunately these people are often in positions of power.
Regarding the MPAA, yes it's a flawed institution, but at the very least it isn't mandatory; a filmmaker can choose to release a film unrated. Of course that decreases the film's profit potential by a substantial margin, but the freedom is there. Plus with DVDs, I'm guessing that cutting a film for its theatrical release is less painful for the filmmaker, since people will see the film as originally intended eventually, whereas prior to VHS there was virtually no chance of this happening. Not to mention that slapping a big "UNRATED VERSION!" underneath the title on the DVD cover is an eye-catcher and will probably garner more attention that the movie otherwise might. (So much so that some movies, as I understand it, will throw in a few extra innocuous seconds on the DVD cut of the film just they can claim this new cut is unrated.)
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #7 on Sept 1, 2009, 6:01am » | |
Ahhh, censorship. How this subject is a tricky one.
My formative horror watching years were the earlier '80s when the original video nasties debate was in full flight. Therefore any right-minded British horror fan had to subscribe to the many and varied fanzines and enter into the quagmire of tape trading, through the ads in the back of said publications. Through these contacts I saw "Men Behind The Sun", "Cannibal Holocaust & Ferox", "Texas Chainsaw..." and countless other banned "nasties". Then with the advent of DVD I began to reacquaint myself with these films. And I must say, most of them were not so much fun in pristine condition. There's something about a fifth generation VHS copy of "Faces of Death" that makes it seem so much more... gloriously illicit.
Anyhoo, thankfully with the stepping down of BBFC head, James "the enemy" Ferman, things started to get back onto a much more even keel. But, occasionally some films still fell afoul of the high lords of cinema. "Reservoir Dogs" was refused a Video certification for over a year. What did this mean? It was in constant repeat showings in cinemas up and down the country, earning it the reputation it now has. Then there was the ludicrous (post release) banning on video of "Child's Play 3"... I kid you not. Due to a horric real life murder of 3 year old James Bulger by two children (aged 9 or 10 I believe), who it was claimed had seen the worst of Chucky and been driven to murder. Ludicrous? Certainly. But it did not stop the right wing media (ie: The Daily Mail - or as it is more commonly known, the Daily Heil or Daily Nazi) from reaching into the drawer and pulling out the old "Ban These Vile Videos" headlines.
In recent years, the BBFC has been a lot more open and accommodating. Passing uncut previously banned films for DVD release. Yet, in the past few months they have fallen foul of the right wing again with Lars Von Triers "AntiChrist". But, in most cases, their argument is that the most extreme cinema appeals to only the fringe viewer, most of whom are well versed in cinema and therefore SHOULD be allowed to make their on decisions freely.
This is of course then brings us to "Grotesque". Had I heard of it before it was banned? No. Would I have wanted to see it if it had been passed, probably not. Did I immediately go on line and see if I could download it, yes. Subsequently, I didn't, as the BBFC's argument here was that it was the sexual violence that was the problem. And for once, I don't have a problem with this. I'm no prude, but find this type of thing the hardest to swallow in extreme cinema (rape films have always perplexed me). It just seems to me to be the latest "Guinea Pig" film. Having had the mis-fortune to see "Flowers of Flesh & Blood" back in the day, I have no interest in seeing any more of this type of film.
So there you go. Should any film be banned? Probably not. But does this mean that certain films shouldn't be seen, quite possibly. It's a tricky one and the reason why censorship will always be a hot topic and unfortunately one that will be unlikely to go away, as it is always going to be the people on the extreme ends of the topic that will make the most noise. And whilst I can do without the right wing, fear mongering media blaming violent films (and lets not forgot video games!) for all the ills in society, I also do not want to be represented by the masturbatory fan boy with tattoo's of Jason and Freddy.
Oh well, now I'm rambling. But like I said, censorship, it's a tricky one. Thoughts?
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #8 on Sept 1, 2009, 6:51am » | |
About halfway through the Censorship episode; awesome discussion, guys.
When Tony was talking about the types of people who might like Grotesque, what immediately came to mind was Lenny Bruce's explanation of obscenity laws:
"We ban the dirty book and dirty show because we don't want some rube from the country to schlep into town, get stimulated by the book or show and then go off and rape someone who didn't see the show or read the book."
And we sure as heck don't want that rube watching The Most Dangerous Game... 
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|  | Re: Episode 99 - Censorship « Reply #9 on Sept 1, 2009, 11:25am » | |
Just got done watching Grotesque, that way I could feel more entitled to talk about the subject at hand.
Why, I'm no fan of censorship, I do feel that there needs to be rules of decency that are lawfully forced upon society....
For the movie Grotesque, there is really no point to the fill at all. I really have a hard time with anyone considering it "entertainment", and if they truely feel that watching people get toruted in a realistic fashion, for 70 minutes is entertainment, that I guess there are most likely some issues within that person. A movie like Grotesque was made for shock value, and shock value only. Do I think it should be banned, no, because by doing that, you are taking a pretty dumb movie, that wouldn't have been noticed by the mass, and now making it more popular then it deserves.
My objection with Grotesque, is how I feel pornagraphy was evolved over the years. People are always pushing the envelope, and trying to out do what has already been done. With Grotesque, what is next, would you object more to a movie like this that features young children? Infants? Because in the logical order of things, that is most likely next, if it hasn't already been made.
The thing is, people seem to like movies like Grotesque, or Cannibla Holocaust, not because they are "good" movies, but because they consider it a badge of honor with the film community, or, they enjoy showing it to other people to get a reaction out of them.
censorship is a must in a civilized society, what if you went to Best Buy, or whatever, and had Beastiality DVDs right on the shelf, down the isle from Pixar movies... there has to be a line somewhere... again, Grotesque, shouldn't be banned, but it shouldn't be available readily for children... sure, tehre's the internet, but making it illiegal to sell this to children, is atleast a deturent to retailers.
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